Goats milk & Symptoms Q (again)

[Jem26]

Jem isnt allowed to have soya until she is about 9-12 mths the dietician said so on cereal in the morning can I use goats milk or is that a no no aswell? she is on a special formula for her main drink (Cow & Gate Pepti)

Also another Q if the baby is just sick after feeds ie no crying and they have poos with very little mucus in does this mean their intolerance has gone? Just last week my dh looked after Jemima and he gave her regular formula because I had bottles of water in the fridge with no formula in yet and he used the wrong tin I use the regular formula(cow & gate premium) for Rhys sometimes because he doesn't drink much milk or take vitamins. He also gave her a jar that had milk in it (I bought it by mistake but left it in the cupboard, oppps) when I came back I realised what he had done but Jemima didn't have any mucusy poos, didn't seem to have tummy ache (wasn't crying like she did as a baby) but she was quite sicky that day and it was thich and it really did stink. I only went out for an hour or 2, grrr. Men:p

Ju xx

[Copper]

It sounds like she is still intolerant and that the milk makes her sick. If she is intolerant to lactose (the natural sugar in milk) I think that goats milk will make her sick too. You can either try and see what happens or put some of her Pepti on her cereal. If it was me I would stick to the Pepti.

[Jem26]

Yeh I shall just carry on with Pepti? so do they not have to have runny poo to be intolerant? she use to have that when on regular formula. She is just very sick after any milk products. Also noticed that she had a runny nose.

[Pam]

I think you are becoming oversensitive to problems - lots of people get runny noses - it may be a cold, dust irritation or just a change in temperature.

You really need to give her body chance to settle down, chopping and changing all the time and introducing new foods will cause too much confusion. At 6 months she wouldn't come to any harm having nothing but milk (or at least a dairy free alternative) and even when introducing new things she only needs to have small amounts of pureed fruit and vegetables and maybe a little baby rice.

Take a step backwards, go back to a very basic diet so that you can see what, if anything, is causing problems and only after a couple of weeks start introducing new things, only one every 2 or 3 days. I know how tempting it is to rush into lots of new foods, I've been there myself, but this is only making things more difficult for yourself. You need to get the basics (ie is milk really a problem?) sorted out before embarking on anything new.

Is your health visitor approachable? can she give you more advice about weaning perhaps? I think it is important that you keep a diary of how much milk has been taken, any other foods introduced and any symptoms that you have seen. Remember that some babies are naturally sicky babies anyway and it isn't necessarily a problem but often Infant Gaviscon added to the bottles can clear this problem up.

[Jem26]

Thanks Pam,

It wasn;t my fault she had some dairy and I told my husband off for it but she didn't seem to react that much so now im not sure if to exclude dairy because its best she has it if she isn't intolerant.

Julie

[ellsie]

If she was sick on it then it has been rejected nonetheless! I would take Pam's advice and let her settle on what she is on now. I would leave it for at least 6 months before trying again. It will be easier to go back to basics now and add a food every 2 or 3 days than it will when she is older if problems persist.:)

[Jem26]

Thanks Ellsie,

Weaning is going fine, she eats fruit, veg & meat/fish no probs at all it was only when she has milk that she is sick but she is sick after any bottle whether it be Pepti (the one for dairy allergy) or regular so maybe she is just sicky but yes i know she has a dairy intolerane just trying to work out why she didnt have mucusy poo and tummy ache.

Ju

[Pam]

Men!!! My hubby was just as bad. He wouldn't accept that my daughter had a problem for about 6 months as he had never seen her having a reaction to milk. It was only after an accident with a hot dog sausage that he saw the full force of her hysterical screaming and writhing. Have you looked into reflux for the sicky problems? (I don't know any details but it is something to do with a valve not preventing milk coming back up, Gaviscon or similar can help but in worst cases an operation may be necessary - look it up on the net) It might be that the sickness and mucusy poos are caused by two different problems. I hope you can get to the bottom of it soon.

[Jem26]

Thanks:-) Jem use to scream alot after feeds (when on regular formula as a tiny baby) she would cry after every feed, full of wind etc... anyway she then went onto a prescription formula and symptoms improved, her sickness was still there but poo was ok and sickness wasn't half as bad as it was before and most babies do possett abit anyway. Since weaning if she has any dairy she is very sicky afterwards and she use to have mucus in her stools and they were quite loose where as after that incident with my hubby she didn't have any loose poos and they were formed as usual but had tiny bits of stringy mucus in them, this still an intolerance sign? because I take it mucus is not a good sign anyway? so confusing.

If she has any meals/jars with dairy in then she is very sick afterwards but like I have said she can be a sicky baby but id say she is more sick after dairy and her nose can run esp after fromage frais. This is what we found when we were testing her out a month or so ago but after hubbies mistake im now wondering if she is still intolerant? she was abit more fidgity after that incident so maybe.

Anyway ive rambled now, lol!
Thanks

[cnc]

Jem, cut ALL dairy out of her diet for 6 months and then reasses. If you keep testing her its not going to do her any good, and if she does have dairy problems, its going to make her feel pretty ill to be fed something that reacts with her.

To have any hope of her system healing itself and allowing dairy, you need to give it the six months. Accidents may happen, but its really important that she has the six months.

[Copper]

I agree with everything Claire has said. If you keep giving her dairy which makes her ill you might affect her growth. I realise now why I was a sickly baby and later a sickly child - I was lactose intolerant. This affected my growth and by the time I was about 8 or 9 the hospital told my mother that I was growing but I was 3 years behind. This affected everything including my teeth!!!

[matt]

goats milk is slightly different lactose wise so can be tolerated by some people.
everyones intoelrance is slightly different and most people have a trigger level. ie a small amount might not cause probs but a slightly larger amount will.
chopping and changing will make it impossible to find out what is the problem. so i agree with everyone else. remove dairy and leave it for a few weeks to let things settle down. then you can see later how things are.

the jar might have just been milk proteins or some other form of dairy that there is no reaction to. find out maybe in a few weeks but personally i'd stick to mashed version of whatever you eat then you know for sure no dairy.

[Jem26]

Thank you all, I usually do cook all my own food for Jemima just occasionally use organic jars.

Good advice, thank you.
Ju