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paranoidangel
25-07-2005, 05:58 PM
I saw a friend of mine this weekend who has been on a detox, which consists of not eating caffeine, meat, bread or dairy. Or something along those lines, I didn't quiz her about which foods it was exactly.
Anyway, she said she was doing it because her flatmate reckoned it helps you sleep - and she told me she's been having trouble sleeping since she was 9.
On the one hand she said it worked really well, although she was naughty for a couple of days yet she still slept fine. So assuming it's not all in her head, can it be a symptom of an intolerance to something?
If she usually has quite a high caffeine intake then that could affect her sleep, especially if she is more sensitive to its stimulant effects. A lot of people suffer from bad headaches, nausea and light headed feelings when detoxing as it takes a few days for all the toxins to come out of your body. A lot of those products can also cause bloating which might lead to lack of sleep and there might be an underlying intolerance to something that has made her uncomfortable at night but not been bad enough to really be identifiable. I know that my daughter always suffered at night if she had any milk during the day.
could be but just as likely to be in the head. most sleeping prbs are i should know.
only good thing is that a diet of no additives preservatives colours or sweeteners can only be a good thing.
Some of it might be to do with the toxins (preservatives, additives, etc) coming out of her system. The less of those the less alien substances there are in your body and that can then improve general wellbeing.
Nutrition is key to so many parts of life. So a well balanced diet can improve energy and also help sleep as your body is working more effectively.
it's well believed that additives and so on can cause numerous porblems it's scarey to see how many are actually banned by other countries but are happily being fed to us and our kids.
you can see the effects just give a balanced calm child some stuff and they are bouncing off the walls within 15 mins.
detox diets though i have no time for. they tendd to be extreme and not all that safe really. you achieve far more by looking at your diet and deviseing a more balanced diet that avoids as many additives as possible. the ones to avoid are the cloours and flavours, preservatives best if you can cut them out but that's really hard.
anyone who suffers from insomnia and drinks caffeine deserves all they get!
you can see the effects just give a balanced calm child some stuff and they are bouncing off the walls within 15 mins.
I get hyperactive on fizzy lucozade and will bounce around for hours and am uncontrollable.... Its quite scary that a substance can do that to your body!!
ellsie
27-07-2005, 07:23 PM
I thought lucozade had milk product in it! :o
What? Really? I've not had the fizzy stuff for a long time as it makes me so hyperactive, but I don't think the normal isotonic stuff does. I'm slightly worried about this as I drink a lot of the isotonic stuff for training. I probably should go investigate this. I think theres a bottle of the isotonic orange one in my bag, I shall go have a look later and post the ingredients....
sunshine yellow, aint it great!
alexx
28-07-2005, 12:44 PM
I think insomnia can be an intolerance symptom, but it is normally one of many, and without doing a specific elimination one by one it would be hard to see what of the cut-out foods was the cause.
As matt said, caffeine really should be avoided with sleep problems; I am really, really sensitive to it and try to stick to a max of 1 caffeinated drink (normally diet coke - bad me!) a day. If I go over this limit I can see an immediate increase in sleep problems. So when your friend stops her detox she should try to keep the caffeine down!
A simple way to discover food sensitivities is to get an analysis of the hair (by a naturopath or holistic practitioner). This is how I discovered the many different foods and food groups I am sensitive to. I eliminated these foods from my diet and it is the best thing I could have done... I feel so much healthier, my foggy head has lifted, my skin (which has been dry and scaly all my life) is smooth and hydrated, I am no longer constipated, I have lost 15 lbs (no longer 'overweight'), I look and feel ten years younger than I did 6 months ago, and I now have energy and for the first time in my life I have a desire to exercise. So simple, but very effective. And there is no need to cut out foods one-by-one to see which ones are the culprits.
Am looking at a bottle of lemon lucozade at the mo and theres no milk in it which would have surprised me as my daughter loves it and has not reacted - it does have flavourings in it tho including caffeine which no doubt causes the hyper activity!
simple rule if affected by caffeine, don't drink it or if you must then not after midday.
slightly off topic but where in toronto are you pen? i've a sister in etobicoke.
I was pretty sure lucozade didn't have dairy in it. I've not got round to checking the bottles yet, I must go and have a look at it, but I drink it fairly regularly and don't react to it and I'm fairly sensitive to it as well....
Hi Matt
I'm in the 'Bloor West' area of Toronto--Etobicoke starts a couple of miles west of here.
i think the main prob with lucozade is the damn silly colour they insist on putting in it. i know it's the consumer's own fault we expect certain things to be certain colours but really peope could be re educated. i'm sure they ie most would prfer to eat stuff not laced with so many dodgy chemicals.
what is it with canada? why no normal names?:lol2: this from someone who lives in dibden purlieu!!!! just down road from hythe
Hi all,
There was a programme on BBC1 a few weeks ago and the presenter went to a market with two jam samples. One was jam with no dyes and the other was jam with. Nearly all the people went for the jam with dyes as they expected it to be red and not yellow, as the no dye jam was. When told the difference most people went for and said they would buy the yellow jam with no dyes in. It just goes to show that people buy food products that are appertising to the eye, rather than taste.
Personally, I would prefer to have less aditives and natural foods.
Kind Regards,
Lan.:D
Copper
30-07-2005, 11:21 PM
Oddly enough my allergies are all to natural foods :( I might have a problem with a preservative but then I don't eat much processed food so that is not too much of a problem.
I did complain at work once that my problems were with real food and why should that be. The answer was that natural food has very complex molecules! On that basis then junk food should be good for me.
PS for molecules read structures
that programme was "should i worry about?" richard hammond short one from top gear.
like i said we are our own worst enemies demanding jam that's red and processed junk etc.
some of the most complex chemicals are found in "natural" products. think the medicines they are discovering in plant extracts etc. naturla just means we haven't played with it, chances are they are more complex than the average man made ones. caffeinne and coccaine both perfectly natural and unrefined really!
either your body accepts stuff or it doesn't. the funny side effect is meant to be that we don't rot away as fast when we die!!! too many preservatives apparently:lol2:
Additives are quite a problem especially in this country. You're allowed to put a lot of additives in food here, that you can't abroad. If other countries can manage not to eat them, then why can't the same happen here. E's numbers aren't the main problem (at least they've had more tests on them) its the additives used in Britain that haven't been allowed by the EU, it makes me worry whats in them thats so bad that nowhere else will touch them.....
don't kid yourself that the ones with 'e's are safe. thats just a labelling system and most have had very limited testing. plenty of e numbers banned all over the world.
as you say other countries cope without them why can't we? answer? too many alzy people want processed food.
I know they're not much better, but at least they have had some testing and people are more aware of the problems they cause...
Processed food can take nearly as long to cook as fresh food, so it doesn't make a lot of sense really.
the only difference is that you need to think when preparing real food. processed stuff is either just chuck into the oven or add to some meat and chuck in oven/frying pan. we've all used them when in a rush as it saves the preperation time. big long term timebomb price to pay though!
ellsie
02-08-2005, 03:48 PM
Back to hair analysis. This is how I started. It made little difference to my skin and after 6 months I added all the foods back, one by one and milk was the only problem so I am sceptical about that!
It is my understanding that as time goes on, we may become less sensitive to foods that have been eliminated from the diet. So after six months it is possible that some sensitivities could disappear.
I went to an interesting lecture on food sensitivities (cleansing and detoxing) recently, and the lecturer (and author--Jeanne Marie Martin www.jeannemariemartin.com (http://www.jeannemariemartin.com/)) suggested the reason so many people are sensitive to wheat and milk is that those are two of the main foods that many people eat almost every day.
US Biotek Laboratories (www.usbiotek.com (http://www.usbiotek.com/)) analyse blood to test for IgG (and IgE) antibodies, name the foods that need to be eliminated, but also suggest a rotation diet using the offending foods. This would indicate that they believe that if a specific food is not eaten for a certain period, the body will become less sensitive to it.
However, for IgG testing to be accurate, one would have to eat all the foods (that are being tested for) in a certain period prior to the test. With hair analysis, the hair permanently records all the foods we have eaten (as well as other information too). The practitioner can keep the hair sample and retest it at intervals to see if there are any changes to sensitivities, whereas with the blood test, one would need to eat all the (tested) foods again and give another sample of blood.
I suppose, ideally, the answer would be to undergo both tests at the same time and compare the results.
On second thoughts, the same hair sample would yield the same results every time. A sample of newly-grown hair would have to used to test for changes in sensitivity.
i was about to ask about the magic hair before reading your second post!!!:lol2:
maintains a psychic link to your body!
there is a large body of thought that says it's because we overdose on wheat and dairy that we cause the problems.
I have to disagree with the length of exclusion making you less likely to react. I think that the body gets used to the symptoms of a sensitivity/intolerance and tolerates the bad foods to some extent so that you might not be particularly aware of any reactions - or are so used to them that they don't bother you that much. After a period of exclusion any introduction can then be such a shock to the system that the body reacts much more strongly (or you become much more aware of the reaction as it comes out of the blue, rather than being a background nuisance).
I think the cases where intolerance lessens with time is where there has been damaged caused to the bacteria or lining of the gut leading to a rejection of dairy or wheat and a period of abstinence allows the bacteria to return to normal and the gut become more healthy so not reacting when reintroduced gradually.
I'm not a fan of hair analysis either and it isn't something that is generally rated by Allergy UK as being a reliable method of testing. As far as I know the only tests that they endorse are the ones carried out by York Labs. Hair testing, kinesiology and all the health food shop/pharmacy based tests are probably ok as pointers so that you can think about what might be affecting you but I think you then need to test out their findings with exclusion/re-introduction diets.
Copper
03-08-2005, 12:42 PM
I agree with Pam here - when I have removed the possible allergen from my diet then tried it later the reaction was much more severe. My lactose intolerance is here to stay now and there is no way I am going to push my luck with more dairy. I will not be trying out the other foods that I am allergic to just to see if that has changed either.
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