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Have just rec'd back the york test results sent away for @ a week ago. Been showing all the classic symptons of IBS since last Sept, but more recently things started to deteriorate further so decided to take the test having visited the allergy show and getting a £50 discount off having visited the york test stand. My daughter is still suffering also altho' milk and dairy free - still gets tummy ache, bloating, wind etc so decided to get her tested also. £425 worse off but worthwhile with the results which have come back.
I've got an intolerance to wheat, gluten, yeast, corn, carrots (?) and caffeine. My daughter has an intolerance to yeast, tuna and oats. The test did not come back with a positive to milk or soya for her but as these things are totally eliminated from her diet not surprised by this result.
Not sure how well we're going to deal with the yeast intolerance as well for my daughter - she usually has toast for breakfast and marmite sandwiches for lunch! Shes a very picky eater and its quite difficult already to find things without milk and soya in so this just makes things even worse. Any good ideas about substitutes for breakfast / lunch greatly rec'd.
As far as I go am very surprised with the results. As I had a milk and egg allergy as a child thought it may have returned as an intolerance and so have been trying to stay off dairy for the last 3 months. Must say i am looking forward to eating cheese again but to have to do without wine, beer etc is not good, this being my only vice these days! I guess I will end up much healthier at the end of it and probably slimmer so must try and stay positive.
Anyway, anyone with any advise, especially from anyone who also has a yeast intolerance with regards things to watch out for would be very welcome.
Hi Bet
I am on a gluten-free, dairy-free, sucrose-free (amongst other things) diet, and breakfast was the one meal of the day I was dreading to find an alternative for (I used to make my own muesli with oats, bran and dried fruits). I can eat corn and discovered a brand of cornflakes (Nature's Path--available in North America, not sure about the UK) which consist of corn, salt and grape juice. This would be no good for you, but maybe okay for your daughter if she uses substitute milk (I use goat milk; rice milks contain gluten). Other cereals may be okay for your daughter too--health food stores have a much better selection for people on restricted diets.
Lunch without bread is difficult to find an altenative for, especially if taking a packed lunch. I tried rice-based breads and they are not something I would eat again (not sure if they contain yeast, but don't think they do). There certainly are yeast-free breads in my health food store. I make my own corn tortillas--just yellow corn flour (not 'cornflour/cornstarch) with some salt and water rolled out thinly between two sheets of baking paper, and then cooked over a hot oiled griddle/frying pan for a minute each side. If your daughter eats rice or pasta, a salad with those might work. When I am in a rush at lunchtime, I eat ricecakes. They are not very filling but can be tasty with interesting toppings (hummus, etc). But topped rice cakes go soggy very quickly so are not so good to make up in advance. Not sure if any of this helps as I know what having a fussy-eating daughter is like!! Good luck!
I was going to suggest rice cakes too or maybe you can make your own soda bread as this doesn't need yeast and could be made with a flour to suit you both (use soya or rice milk instead of cows milk)
http://thefoody.com/mrsbbaking/sodabread.html
I loved the soda bread that I made, unfortunately bi-carb and baking powder seem to have unpleasant effects on my digestive system.
I'm on a diet (again) and have cut bread out completely and I'm trying to keep flour/wheat to a minimum to see if it cuts down the bloating. I'm eating more rice and jacket potatoes instead of sandwiches with a few rice crackers thrown in. My breakfast is always porridge usually with some fruit on top. I lost 8lb in the first 2 weeks so I am thrilled.
I have a friend with (among other allergies) a yeast allergy, and mushrooms set her off. I don't know why, but she says its because they have a form of yeast in them. So it might be worth cutting them out, or at least being aware that they could cause a problem.
I (luckily) only have a dairy allergy, so I can't be of much help on the lunches. Though would Bovril be a suitable Marmite substitute? I don't have a packet, so I can't look at the ingredients, so I could be way off base.
Nic
Thanks for your replies so quickly. Pen - i would never have thought rice milk had gluten in it - will have to watch that one as this is the alternative we use for our daughter and so I end up having things with it in as well. Tortilla recipe sounds interesting - had them for tea last night - have a really good recipe which the kids love so am not going to want to give up on them.
Pam - soda bread sounds interesting - will have to experiment with that i think. 8lb in 2 weeks is fantastic - keep it up! I lost 11lb in a month when started to have really bad problems end of April, havn't put the weight back on either - I guess its one of the more positive aspects of the problem.
Nic - on the info I've got from York it actually says that mushrooms can cause a mild reaction for yeast sufferers so this must be why your friend reacts and it sounds quite bad so will definately be giving them a miss! Unfortunately bovril is listed as no good, dont think I'm going to be able to find an alternative to that I'm afraid.
Hi all,
Another thing you have to watch with yeast is over-ripe fruit. When I was on the elimination diet, I was told not to eat fruit unless it was under ripe. Don't know if this is true or not, but the dietician was the one who advised me.
Kind Regards,
Lan. :)
Lan
Will add this to the list of things I need to ask the dietician when I have my phone consultation with york - thanks.
Copper
28-07-2005, 10:00 PM
Hmm I don't know much about over ripe fruit but I know that some start fermenting eg plums and you need yeast for the fermentation process.
most fruit will have yeast on the surface, but then by the same context you'l be lucky to breath in without taking in some yeast! all around us.
soda bread or other flat breads. pancakes. nan breads etc etc unlevened so should be fine.
i have cornflakes from tescos without any probs fairly sure yeast free, most cereal should be. like anything avoid the too processed stuff.
i actually eat an energy biscuit from the health food shop instead of bread. go see what your local one offer or suggest.:lol2:
Dont think naan breads, pancakes are any good as cant have flour. Am going to have a yoghurt for breakfast which will be nice after 3 mths without dairy. Energy biscuits sound interesting Matt, will look out for them next time visit health food shop
I was just tested for an allergy to milk and was told that even though I didn't have it in my system that I could still react to it, so that may be something to consider with regards to the no show of milk and soya.
rebecca c
29-07-2005, 11:25 AM
The rice milk I use doesnt have gluten in. I mostly have an incredibly dull breakfast of brown rice, pear and banana. Yuck but it sets me up for the day and there is so little I can eat I always struggle at lunch time. As a snack I have Kallo organic puffed rice cereal with rice milk and sugar which is actually OK. The trouble is my diet is so restrcited my idea of OK is other peoples idea of hell - my millet flapjacks are a lifesaver to me but people are just horified that I would eat such a thing.
Hi Rebecca
What brand of rice milk do you use, or do you make your own?
I haven't been able to find any rice milk that doesn't use barley in its processing. Rice Dream in Canada is not gluten-free, but So Nice Soy Milk (but I don't use soy products) is gluten-free (see links and info below).
http://www.imaginefoods.com/pages/products/ricedream.php (http://www.imaginefoods.com/pages/products/ricedream.php)
Is Rice Dream Beverage a gluten free product?
No. Rice Dream Beverage is processed using a barley enzyme. Even though the barley enzyme is discarded after use, the final beverage might contain a minute residual amount (less than .002%) of barley protein.
http://www.sonice.ca/English/straight_answers.html#question4 (http://www.sonice.ca/English/straight_answers.html#question4)
Is So Nice gluten free?
So Nice is 100% gluten-free and is suitable for people with Celiac Disease.
rebecca c
29-07-2005, 06:30 PM
You are right Pen my rice milk does say may contain traces of barley protein and I hadn't registered it. Probably because I consider myself to be gluten intolerant not allergic. I do have a good idea that I am having a white blood cell reaction (eosinophillia) to soya so I'm limited to rice milk anyway.
On another board somebody said they had a milk maker for nut and rice milks - I'd like to check that out - but the added calcium in the rice milk is one of my calcium sources.
I use Provamel rice milk (purple box) with calcium and vitamins and there is no mention of barley protein at all (www.alprosoya.co.uk go to the products list, alpro range, milk alternatives and look for alpro rice, if you click on the name you get more info). The info states gluten free and wheat free. Costs £1.45 per litre at Morrisons.
bicuits are made by premier come in two versions:
red packet plain should be £1.35 in holland and barrett
bluew packet choc covered not sure price
wheat free and dairy free,
flat breads really easy to make for yourself. wheat fre flour available in most health food and supermarkets. let me know if you want receipes, only have normal i think but only a matter of changing the flour to wheat free.:lol2:
Matt - thanks for the info - the recipe would be good for flat bread please when you have a mo. Off on holiday from next Friday for 2 weeks and putting house on market before we go so rather busy next few days. When we get back am going to have to try some new recipes out.
Apologies everyone - this is a dairy free site after all and all I'm talking about is wheat /gluten / yeast intolerances. Must look at the relevant sites on the net - everyones so helpful / knowledgeable on here it seemed the obvious place to start!
None of the other allergies/intolerances have a site nearly as good as this one. People have complained before that there is nothing worth using for gluten/wheat intolerance for example. I have to say that I have never looked myself so I can't really say whether it is true. Our threads always seem to shift direction so don't worry about it.
Copper
30-07-2005, 12:53 PM
Ah ha but we have the resident intolerant to almost everything expert on this site. Take a bow Matt ;) I would always ask Matt for help first.
Hi all,
Matt seems to have a fanclub starting up. Could always start a new thread.
Lan. :bleh::bleh::bleh:
Copper
30-07-2005, 10:16 PM
It does sound bad doesn't it :) Matt appears to have these intolerance problems so can be of more help. I just have allergies so the answer is simple don't eat or drink it. The lactose intolerance is the only thing I can help with.
hey i'm usefull for something!!! and talk of a fan club!! all this because i'm completely stone bonkers and imagine i have all these problems. that and i've too much time on my hands so get to spend too long online and at daft times aswell.
will have time to sort out the receipes after today, keepig my daughter until this lunch then she's off for a week with the ex to spain.:(
time on my hands.
Hi Matt,
I would say you know where we are if lonely and need a chat, but most are asleep when you're awake. Could always get a cat. I have one up for grabs, if interested. :bleh::bleh::bleh:
Lan.
ah cats, sorry never a great fan to start with, now i'd have a major prob with the cleanliness issue....:mellow:
Hi all,
Well it was worth a try, wasn't it?
Kind Regards,
Lan.:D
PinkyPrincess
21-08-2005, 08:02 PM
That's really interesting, my York results were very similar - yeast, wheat, gluten, corn, carrots, milk and garlic. With vanilla and egg whites as rotation foods.
I really hope there really is some science behind the tests, and they're not just telling everyone to avoid the same foods.
That's really interesting, my York results were very similar - yeast, wheat, gluten, corn, carrots, milk and garlic. With vanilla and egg whites as rotation foods.
I really hope there really is some science behind the tests, and they're not just telling everyone to avoid the same foods.
i have to say the cynic in me has thought that more than once as nearly everyone i know who's done the test has had a positive hit and all for the same food groups. you'd think that once in a while someone might get told sorry you're not intolerant or that they don't all have the same list.....:unsure:
I must say there seems to be a few on the site that have the same intolerances. However I have eliminated these things for @ 3 weeks now and am definately seeing the benefit - no bloating, excess tiredness, abdominal pains etc and also I have had an on going eye problem for quite a while now - itchy, watery eyes. Left my eyes red raw underneath, very wrinkled in a dreadful state. Was just about to see a doctor when started diet and within 3 days there was an immediate iomprovement. Now back to normal. Then read up on either yeast or wheat intolerance, cant remember which, and this can be one of the symptons.
I think these foods must just be some of the most common ones that do cause a reaction.
PinkyPrincess
22-08-2005, 02:12 PM
I dunno.... it depends who you talk to.
A lot of the standard info on IBS on the NHS website and BUPA etc just says that foods don't have an impact on IBS and all you can do is cut out spicy foods, fizzy drinks and the usual culprits that make you poorly.
I've had absolutely no joy whatsoever with my doc, even though I've been back loads of times and explained that I'm in agony and something is making me ill and tired and really down. All they offer is pills with the threat of a colonoscopy if it doesn't get better.
I did think I was making some progress but today I feel awful again and I really don't think I've accidentally eaten anything as I've been really careful.
How do you guys motivate yourselves to carry on? Other than the thought of the pain if you do eat something you shouldn't. I'm going between being really positive that I can do it, and really annoyed that it's not working.
Pinky
Are you eating mainly processed foods or do you cook from scratch? Processed foods often have 'hidden' gluten in them--for instance, ground spices, 'vegetable oil,' white vinegar (as well as the malt variety), stabilizers, and 'flavourings.' I learnt about those by reading the list in http://www.dietsite.com/dt/diets/foodsensitivities/glutenfreediet.asp and always keep it to hand (well, on 'my favourites'). You mention vanilla... vanilla pod may be okay for you, but food flavourings (vanilla essence) usually contain alcohol processed from barley.
If you are having problems, my advice would be to cook from scratch to reduce the chance of eating any gluten. I cook from scratch and only add things from a jar (pesto, mustard, tomato paste) that have absolutely no artificial additives (colours, preservatives, flavours, etc) and I buy them in a health store. It can be time-consuming especially if you are used to eating processed foods, but well worth the effort if you see the digestive problems disappear.
PinkyPrincess
22-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Thanks for that Pen, I was vaguely aware of hidden gluten but that's a very comprehensive link.
I actually have been told to rotate vanilla and not have it more often than every 4 days so I'm trying not to eat it as I don't want to upset my tummy any more than it already is.
It's definitely a time issue with cooking, as I am always so hungry when I get back from work and usually want something quick. This dairy-free thing is a full time job! :unsure:
What a brilliant signature idea, Pinky! ^_^ Wouldn't it be really useful if we all listed our food intolerances as our signature--that way we would know whether any advice we were giving, was relevant to that person, without having to check back. I was looking for a new signature--maybe I will do the same thing.
Signature idea is good.
My main way of motivating myself is that I'm a keen sportswomen and I can perform much better without dairy, so its quite simple really!! Oh and I generally remember what my life used to be like before becoming dairy free, which is enough to keep me going, although I do get annoyed some times.
PinkyPrincess
22-08-2005, 03:56 PM
Thanks guys, just thought I would list them because I usually forget the foods myself, so I couldn't expect anyone else to remember!
Glad you liked the idea.
I have had a couple of days where I've felt Ok so I probably need to focus on that and keep motivated. I think it's really hard because I'm such a 'foodie' and I love eating out, and I just don't think it's very possible at the moment.
Having a problem getting the site to accept my list of banned foods as my signature. It says there is space for a maximum of 500 characters, but I thinned mine down to 465 and it still isn't being accepted. Can anyone help?
Pinky
Another thought... do you take any probiotics or digestive aids (acidophillus and bifidobacterium bifidus), as these might help? I have Leaky Gut Syndrome and I find this helps my digestion (it is also recommended to keep the gut flora levels up). I use the powdered variety (HMF Powder by Genestra) which has no added sucrose, starch, salt, preservatives, artificial colours, flavours or additives, or any corn, wheat, yeast, gluten, soy, dairy or animal by-products. There are also probiotics in capsule forms. I am no expert of this, but my understanding of it is that it works to populate the flora levels (probiotic) if you take it on an empty stomach, and as a digestive aid if taken with food. A good health food store should be able to give good advice. Remember not to use this in the evening though or you will likely end up hungry in the middle of the night.
Pen
i eat a heck of a lot of tinned fish, plain steamed veggies and potatoes.
fairly easy to stay free from the things that cause probs. think i'm managed to get problem with green pure spread as had some on the potatoes the other day and had a couple of days really bad ibs. ho hum
PinkyPrincess
23-08-2005, 02:59 PM
Hi Pen,
I don't take any probiotics or digestive aids at the moment, I'm only on peppermint capsules and Colofac which is an anti spasmodic or something.
I thought they were only things you got in yoghurt for some reason, probably the misleading advertising.
That powder sounds good - how do you take it? I'm not great at taking things that taste horrible so maybe the capsules would be better.
Interesting stuff tho....
Some yogurts are a source of those bacteria but I know there have been questions about some of the claims in some products. I use HMF Powder as I prefer things to be in a form that is as simple as possible (extra ingredients in anything that comes in capsule form). I just sprinkle a 1/4 teaspoon of the powder over a very small glass of water, and then it mixes in (and appears to dissolve) really well. It has a slightly sweet but pleasant taste. I checked with my health food store this morning that the powder does not contain any dairy.
I know someone who takes peppermint essential oil--I might look further into the benefits of it. There is just so much to learn!
there is debate on whether you should take probiotics in powder or capsule as they have to get past the stomach acid. capsule can last until get into intestines. also good idea to have some prebiotics. which is favourable foods for the healthy bacteria. honey and that sort of thing.
probiotics can be very good for ibs.
For repopulating the gut flora, capsule is best, but powder is fine as a digestive aid.
I use the Super 8 probiotic capsules that you find in fridges in some health food shops, the Udo brand. Seem to work for me (and they're dairy-free), but at that price (£18 for 30) they should!
But I don't have IBS, so its a different situation.
Nic
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