Hey New here need help!

[Jazzingal]

Hiya I'm Christine, Again i'm new on here and at 21 i ve just recently foundout (not from my doctor though:( ) that i have an intolerence to dairy products,which cause me to suffer from crushing Migraines! i just need some suggestions on what foods are available that are Dairy Free. Lol i haven't had a chance to read through a lot of the posts but it would be gd just to hear from some of you and let me kno people who are in the same position as me! I did come across this site by chance while i was searching for some help on this topic! A nd i felt that you could help me! It would be great to here from you soon! Christine xx:lol2:

[matt]

as you say there is loads of info already on the forums but it can be daunting to trawl through and search.

but the answer to your question is also going to be huge with all the various types of dairy free goodies!!:lol2:

best way is for you to ask specifics about repalcements for each thing.

have you a good local health food shop? they will stock examples of most things and will happily order the rest in normally.

learn to read ingredients thoroughly. milk is hidden in pretty much anything that is processed and sometimes not ie packet turkey for sandwiches!

welcome to the site keep coming and hopefully the migraines will go. been there got the t-shirt though mine are better these days.:)

[cnc]

Welcome to the site.
I agree with what Matt says, read labels regularly, as the ingredients change without warning.
There's plenty of dairy free foods avaliable.
Hopefully you will start to feel better soon.

[goose]

Hello, and welcome to Dairy Free uk (mad site), ha,ha. I hope you manage to find some of the answers to your questions your needing. everyone is very helpful and you will find some really good Dairy free recipes from some of the forums.
Anyway enough of my rambiling. Your local health shop is the best place to start and dont be affraid to ask. but like matt says check the lables as some of the dairy foods are hidden in alot of foods.:icon_grou

[Jazzingal]

Thanx for you help, ive already been given tips on how to make soups and things, and like you all say i do have to keep checking as it is hidden under many names as well. How long did you suffer from migraines matt? yeah i realised it will be hard until i get into it! lol! how long have people been members of this site! xx

[Lan]

Hi Christine,

I found myself in the same position as yourself nearly 10 years ago. I was 19 and diagnosed with allergies to caffeine and Citrus and intolerant to all milk produce. It has only been recently that I have ascertained myself that I am Lactose intolerant.

Starting off is hard I know (as anyone on the site will tell you) but chin up, we're here to help and things can only get better.

Below are a few products that I use and the shops they can be purchased from. I hope this helps.

Cheesly (Many others available) This is a hard cheese substitute and also comes in a melting variety. Available from most good health shops and Tescos.

Parmazano - Powdered cheese substitute and lovely on spaghetti bolognese. Available from most good health shops and Tescos.

So Good Milk - Available from most good health shops, Sainsburys and Tescos.

Soya Dream - Runny cream substitute - All good health food shops and possibly Tescos

Provamel Yoghurts - Available from most good health shops, Sainsburys and Tescos.

Swedish Glaze Icecream
- Available from most good health shops, Sainsburys and Tescos.

I hope the above is helpful and if you have any further questions, please let us know.

I would suggest you read the article/list detailing all the many different names of milk, as this would indeed be useful. In time you will learn to have a sixth sense about foods that contain milk, I know I certainly have.

Take care.


Lan :lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:

[matt]

another form of fake cheese is scheese. people tend to fall into liking one and loathing the other!! but technical tip avoid the cheddar version of either. each brand do others like cheshire or mozerella go for those to try as the are less like rubber!
i'm a scheese fan

migraines from 97 till today. at the worst was having 15 per month ie pretty much everyday! better now though every week or so which i can live with. pretty sure it was a combination of dairy and wheat that made me have so many. doctors convinced it wasstress though so all my own work.

[Jazzingal]

Yeah i understand that about the doctors they just turn round and said to me you gotta sort it out by yourself and work out what is causing them, like you matt i have only sufferd from migraines for the past 3 years but i do undrestand what its like and like you i was gettin a 4 day long at any time so i can sympathise, its a great feeling to know that there is others and am not alone to get through this, as it can affect my uni studies as i study dance. Another question is what milk would you recommend, goats or soya? I need my cups of tea lol!:lol2:

[matt]

bloody internet, just replied to this and got the reply ditched!!!

goats milk can cause reactions as the lactose is different but not hugely so. often you will develope a problem to it if you use it lots. worth trying though.

[matt]

everyone will have their favourite type of milk replacement.

i preferred waitrose soya. but you can get rice/oat/almond/hazelnut.

mostly it's a matter of trial and error to find the one you can tolerate/like

[matt]

have you seen a specialist to rule out a skeletal or nerve problem as you do ballet? migraines can be caused by that. and be silly to cause dietary hassle if it is physical problem.

also the migraine clinic in london might be able to help, they just need a letter of referal from the doctor, or certainly used to, for them to make appointment to see you http://www.colmc.org.uk/index.html

hope this helps.

[Pam]

Hubby got relief from his migraines through accupuncture.

Regarding dairy free foods:

Milk - lots of alternatives available in most supermarkets - soya, oat, rice etc.
Butter - Pure spread or Vitalite are widely available
Yoghurt - Alpro Yofu, Sojasun - in supermarkets or health food shops
Cheese - not good but try health food shops
Ice Cream - Swedish Glace or Tofutti

Most other things you can get a standard product if you check the label.

Welcome to the site, I hope you feel better on your new diet.

[Jazzingal]

Cheers guys really helpful!

As you were saying about the doctors the doctors here and at home are hopeless and i just cant make them see what i'm talking about. I think they just think i'm imagining it! I no longer do Ballet i did for sometime before i started to get the migraines i now study contemporary dance. so i don't think it is. the problem is with going to london its a good idea but i dont have the time or the finances to get there am on a student budget lol! also another thing is that the migraines are heriditory! so that doesn't help, but the rest of the family just aint trying to find out the cause. i think that in the long run its going to be better for me doing this as i have a strong feeling that it is Dairy, as i tend to get really bad migraines later on in the day or the next day and have to be sent home from work.

[Kamagrian]

Hi Christine!

Welcome to our cosy little site - I hope you find the support and camaraderie helpful. I've been a member since September (I think), as doctors advised me not to eat any dairy after I was admitted to hospital with pancreatitis. The people at DairyfreeUK are incredibly supportive and there's a lot of knowledge spread out here, so you should find what you need. :)

Personal substitution preferences for me are as follows:

Butter - I use Vitalite, which I personally like more than Pure. Co-op sell it.
Milk - I love Alpro, but 'Soya Soleil' is made by the same company and much cheaper, but almost as nice. Again, available at my local Co-op.
Cheese - I sprinkle Parmezano on pasta and love it, and some Tescos or Sainsbury's stores sell it. Alternatively you can buy it at health food shops. I quite like Tofutti 'Creamy Smooth' slices (like processed cheese) and spread (just like Philadelphia!), and it's worth experimenting with Scheese and Cheezly to see what you like. As Matt says, the Cheddar ones are a bit horrid! Buy these at health food stores.
Yoghurt - Alpro Soya yoghurts are available in packs of 4 from most supermarkets now, and are really tasty. I haven't tried Sojasun but I've never heard a bad word said about them, so they're probably worth sourcing from health food stores!
Cream - Alpro (again) do a very nice alternative to single cream, as well as a great dairy-free custard. I like both and my local Co-op sells them. Granose do a single cream too (available from health food stores), but I don't personally like it quite as much.

Before anyone asks, no I don't get commission from Alpro! :lol2: It just happens that my local supermarket stocks a good selection of their products, so that's what I'm used to.

As for soup, check the labels carefully and avoid anything (obviously!) that says 'Cream of'. You need to avoid anything which has the following in its ingredients:

milk
milk powder
whey
lactose
butter
butteroil/butterfat
cream
casein
yoghurt
gheeThat's probably not a canonical list, but I'm sure the others will fill in the blanks! :lol2:

Most soup recipes (if you make your own) can probably be adjusted to dairy-free with a little imagination. Just substitute soya milk for milk and so on, and use Pure or Vitalite - or a little vegetable oil - instead of butter for frying ingredients.

Biscuits and cakes can be a problem, but Co-op Jaffa Cakes, most Bourbon Creams and various other options are available. Be careful with crisps and snacks too, as these usually have hidden dairy!

Personally, I think the outlook for dairy-intolerant people has got much brighter in the last 10 years or so. There are far more products and information out there, and 'warning' boxes on ingredient lists are gradually becoming more trustworthy, so after an initial period of adjustment you'll probably find it really easy, and hopefully feel tangible benefits to your health.

Sorry for the really long post, and I hope I haven't bored you senseless! Good luck with everything and ask for any help or advice you need. :)

Gill x

[cnc]

Whereabouts are you from Jazzingal??
Keep trying with the doctors, sometimes you can be lucky and find a useful one!!

[Pen]

For migraines, you might want to try a chiropractor who can do an 'adjustment' which may help to relieve your problem. I would recommend the 'Network Spinal Analysis' type (as they have a much more gentle approach to normal type of chiropractic) if you can find one in your area [http://www.innateintelligence.com/nsadatabase/] (http://www.innateintelligence.com/nsadatabase/]) but there are not many of those in the UK. 'Normal' chiropractic would be a good alternative.

It has also been shown that many migraines are caused by a build up of toxins in the body, and can often be cured altogether by doing an body (internal) cleanse which allows the body to detox. It would be best to consult a practitioner who deals in this area, unless you are familiar with doing this yourself. Apart from ingesting substances that help to clear out the toxins, another way to detox is to use a Far Infrared Sauna--lots of info of those on the Internet. You could also check out a book called "Detoxify or Die" by Sherry someone, whose name I have forgotten.

Regarding goat milk cheese, it might work for you depending on which component of milk is causing you problems. If if is lactose, then I am not sure about goat milk products, but if it is 'casein' (a milk protein) that is the problem you may find that goat cheese is okay. I am intolerant to casein and have been using goat milk products since February last year and have no problems at all with them. I believe that goat milk is free from casein, whereas cow milk is high in it.

[matt]

just googled casein. goats milk is a different form of casein than cows so that can explain why some can have it. the lactose in goats milk is also different and easier to digest aparently.
like i said the best bet is to remove entirely, recover a bit and see if the migraines reduce and have some quality rest time. then if you feel up to it reintro the goats to see if it triggers anything.

beware rice slices, fake cheese, it has milk in it.

detox diets getting slammed on tv at the moment. as they point out if ou cut out all the bad processed foods and eat healthy veggies etc all freshly prpared then of course you'll feel better so don't need tobuy any of these damn expensive additional products. plenty of water and plenty of fresh food,

a big cause of migraines can actually be dehydration.....or atleast a contributary factor.:)

[Jazzingal]

Cheers guys its a big help!

On the detox front i tried it wen i first started getting them and it was no such luck kept getting them! the chiropractor again i am a student have a student budget to keep to if i could afford it i would try it! i mean i ahve a class in un which is called teh alexander technique so my migraines have been apporoached through that so really i have tried things for it.

Lol Matt i am a dancer and i drink like 2/3 2.5ltr bottles of water a day lol! so it iaint dehydration! lol:p

Well at the mo am going with the soya milk and yoghurts, and just watching what i eat.

[matt]

you'll find that most of the process is ticking off what isn't the cause not what is so that's dehydration off the list.:)

next give the dairy free a go, needs a good few weeks of being carefull.
another common cause can be MSG in food. there is a condition called chinese resturant syndrome!!! too much of it causes headaches!!!:lol2: :(

but only cut one thing at a time unless you do it from the other way via exclusion diet.

i'll just keep spamming ideas:lol2:

[cnc]

the chiropractor again i am a student have a student budget to keep to if i could afford it i would try it!

I can understand what you mean (I'm also a student), however, sometimes you have to pay out the money to fix your health. I ended up paying a lot of money out for some physiotherapy, but it had to be done. Money is a commodity but your health is your health. Do the migranes affect your dancing and studying? If so, then your health is also affecting your future, which isn't great either.
I'm not trying to lecture you, sorry if it appears like that, but I know how much feeling ill can affect your studies, and its not fun!!

I hope you find some solution to your problems. Good luck (keep pestering the doctors)

[Copper]

I am still suffering with IBS :( I had no idea how ill it can make you feel. I was very good and went to work this morning and survived.

I am fed up with ever increasing food intolerances but I will not let them beat me.

On a bright note I have taken up knitting again after a 10 year break. I gather it is in fashion now. I was amused in Hobbycraft yesterday at a couple buying some wool. She says I will just get --- (didn't get that bit) he replies well what if you come back and they have not got any left. I think she was planning to get her wool in a couple of batches. She clearly did not check the dye lot numbers on her wool :eek: Each batch of dye will be slightly different. so you should get all the wool you need for a garment from the same dye lot. I checked all of mine.

[Jazzingal]

Yeah matt im giving the dairy free diet a go, have been doing that the past few days so see how it goes, Lol i aint had chinese in ages (making me hungry now !) i was quite lucky at the moment im getting physiotherapy through the uni so am quite lucky that way anything out with i have to pay for. The worst was last term for me. it did affect ma studies as a missed a few classes and couldn't concetraite properly, but no matter how many times i went to the doctors they just wouldnt help me at all, i was just to take paracetamol! Nah your not lecturing me claire.

All ideas will be helpful lol!
will keep you posted hehe and keep asking the good ole questions!

[cnc]

Surely the problem with just taking more paracetamol is that your body becomes tolerant to it and you need more of it. Not forgetting the nasty side effects it can have. I assume you've tried all the over the counter remedies that you can get for migranes??
Is it the same doctor you've been seeing or different ones?
This may seem a very silly idea, but have you had your eyes tested recently. I used to get headaches when I wasn't wearing my glasses enough. Was just a random suggestion thats all!!

[Jazzingal]

Yeah with me being a dancer i hate taking paracetamols all the time and putting random things into ma body, i have tried all of them and none of them work! Its different doctors ive been seeing its driving me nutz!

Yeah i have to wear my glasses permenantly or ma contacts as am short sited, i just got a site test 2 months ago to check ma contacts so it aint that. (wish it was tho would have been so much easier)

[matt]

right firstly try to describe the migraines. who has diagnosed them??
how much paracetamol are you having and how often?
when do the headaches start , what are the early symptoms?
what other side effect/symptoms do you get?

sorry to barrage with questions. but try to answer and i may have a couple of suggestions.:)

[Jazzingal]

My doctor about 3 years ago diagnosed them when i first started getting them. The migraines are a killer! first they start to affect my sight blurry etc, then i get a sharp pain down the left side of my head, then because a throbbing pain which then starts on my left, and it kills me to look at light, and then eventually it gets to the front of my head where it just throbs and sometimes will go away on its on or if ive lay down in a dark room. I dont take paracetamol any more as its not doing anything, at first i would be taking them every four hours even then nothing would happen even with the over the counter things.

The head aches start about an hour to an hour and a half after ive eaten, other symptoms i get either before one or during one i get a really bloated stomach and i crave chocolate or sweet foods. i also get very shaky throughout the migraines, and it also during it i feel like im going to be sick, depending on the severity of it.

And even when i get one i do drink loads of water but nothing was helping no matter what.

Nah not a problem matt ive answered most of the questions

[Jazzingal]

oh the early symptoms, would be bloating, crave sweet foods - but that is for during it as well

[pinkfairy]

Hi Jazzingal

Are you sure you are not having any hidden lactose products. Because your first symptoms seem like the first reactions of LI. Also check the pain killers and any other tablets you are taking for lactose content. Lactose is used as a bulking agent in most tablets. I got caught out like that. I was taking senna tablets to relieve my constipation caused by LI only to find out on the new packaging the highest content ingrediant in the senna tablets was lactose.

Jane

[rebecca c]

My son was very sensitive to the senna even in syrup form.

I read somewhere today that migraines can be posture related but doubt that would be an issue for a dancer.

I get mild migraines and they are strongly stress connected.

[Jazzingal]

Well pink fairy i have only recently changed my diet to lactose free ie only 4 days so i will see how it goes, at the time i was taking the pain killers i wasn't really aware of what was in them i was only trying to releive the pain and stress of them. i'm not really that stressed as i am quite good at time management, and spreading out my work load. but eventhough it has only been a few days i am feeling a bit less lethargic than i was last week lol, but i will need to wait and sse how it goes i mean do you all have your good days and bad days?

[matt]

no matter what you do you'll have good and bad days unles you are really lucky and are only suseptable to one problem food.

right the migraines. thought i'd better check that they were def migraines and that you weren't suffering from the side effects of too many pain killers. you get so addicted that they cause the headache! then stuck in vicous circle.
you need to see the doctor if they do not improve wit hremoval of lactose.
he/she can prescribe a daily tablet that should reduce the number you have. the other option that can be offered is a TRIPTAN type tablet that you take when the symptoms start. they can reduce the length or sometimes kill a migraine before it starts. worth talking to him about it.

certainly sounds like they are food triggered. start keeping a food diary. write down everything that you eat and drink and when you get migraines, it helps to pinpoint any othertriggers.

good luck

[Jazzingal]

Well its been just over a week since i have started my dairy free diet! and i have had only 1 migraine in that week, but the only thingsi had that day were toast, stir fry and chicken in a paprika sauce which i made so i have no idea what could ahve been the trigger for that one also in this week i have actually lost some weight as well, but could be from a healthier lifestyle as well,

[cnc]

I think it will take more than a week for you to be able to say whether the dairy is affecting the migranes or not, so keep with it and see what happens.

Dairy is hidden in all sorts of things, so you may have had it accidently, and it could have been something from the day before.
Good luck, and I hope you keep getting better.

[matt]

it will take a week or two to work everything out of your system.
hope you've started the food diary?

the stir fry, and paprika meal. did they have any ready made sauces? or spices? them do like bulking stuff up even spices. or if the meat had spices added prior to you buying they use various stuff to stick the flavours on!!!:o

if not then could just be your body slowly getting used to the idea. i take it is was a reduction to only have the one?

[Jazzingal]

Yup i have started the food diary although sometimes if i leave it till the end of the day i have a hard job remembering depending on how busy ive been lol !Yeah i know it will take a while for me to know properly, the stir fry i dont use any sauces apart from light soya sauce, and the paprika was home made fresh chicken but i did use paprika spices.and chicken stock cube I remember that it was at the end of the day and the usual symptoms appeared. It was a major reduction only to have the one, as i normally got them 4/5 times a week and sometims it was 3/4 day long ones. One thing ive noticed even the days im not dancing im stil drinkin tons of water lol

I do have a problem my flat mates and i do bulk shopping where we share things for meals together and ive told them what im doing but when they are cooking for us all there not really aware of what they are putting into the meals, any ideas?

[matt]

keep a diary. the stock cube could easily have something in it that you don't agree with. soya has wheat/gluten in.... something to watch.

really it will be a matter to see how it goes over a couple of weeks and then see if you can spot any obvious connections. i can help later if you need a fresh pair of eyes but let it go on for a couple of weeks. you do need to be a bit more disiplined and do it as soon after you eat as possible.

[Jazzingal]

Yeah i know i do you would think that with being a dancer i would be but obviously i aint!:o yeahi ''l keep it going for the next couple of weeks see how it goes.

[cnc]

I do have a problem my flat mates and i do bulk shopping where we share things for meals together and ive told them what im doing but when they are cooking for us all there not really aware of what they are putting into the meals, any ideas?

I'd suggest only sharing things you know are safe, like sacks of potatoes, and then cook for yourself for the time being.
There are very few of my friends who will actually cook for me as they don't want to be responsible for making me ill!!

You do get decent sleep as well don't you?

[Jazzingal]

99.9% of the time i get good sleep only once during this week i didnt due to an assignement due in but its ma own fault :unsure: Yeah im going home for ma birthday as well and am ment to be goin out for a meal as well so any ideas there?

[Pam]

The migraine that you had could have been a withdrawal headache caused by all the toxins leaving your body. Or it could be that you will get a few anyway but less than usual on your restricted diet.

Hubby had accupuncture as part of a NHS trial for migraines. It worked really well whilst he was having treatment but they came back again when it stopped. I'm sure his headaches and indigestion would lessen if he went milk free but he drinks it by the bottle.

[cnc]

am ment to be goin out for a meal as well so any ideas there?
The general opinion seems to be to ring/ call in to the restaurant in advance, and speak to them about it. Trust your instincts about it as well, if they aren't really sure then look somewhere else.
If you live in/near a city or big town, then you should find somewhere that caters for you, relatively easily.

[matt]

the alternative is to pop in to the resturant a few days before to have achat, when they are quiet obviously! then use your judgement on their reaction. if not 100% happy try elsewhere.:)

[Jazzingal]

Right ma mates are wanting to bake me a birthday cake, any suggestions as they are no sure how to make one and they want to make a chocolate one? :o

Well the change of diet is going well, migraines are coming less,hardly any bloating and am starting to lose some wiehgt that i had gained, only thing is im now not very well at the moment think ive got tonsilitis! (right before ma bday sob)lol!

And i am keeping a food diary like a good girl lol! am much more disciplined as well, but i better not jinx the situation lolits gonna take a while more for it to really take effect.

[Copper]

I assume they have a recipe already? You just need to replace the butter with Pure. I use the Pure in the yellow box which can be found in most supermarkets although Tesco here are going to stop selling it!

[Jazzingal]

Yeah am already using pure anyway, i dunno, if they have a recipe, sometimes i think they make things up as they go along! they just decided to tell me they were gonna bake a cake for me, and how do they make it thats all i got off them!

[cnc]

I've been made several chocolate cakes that are dairy free- its very simple really. Just find a basic chocolate sponge recipe and substitute butter for Pure, and its sorted.
I've also had some quite interesting shaped cakes, the one that was big enough for the 20 or so people at my birthday, was an interesting shape due to the lack of trays!!
Oh and melted dark chocolate on the top is always good :D

[rebecca c]

Jamie Oliver has a mega topping which is 100g dark chocolate, 100g butter, 3 tablespoons milk and 100g icing sugar substitute for pure and alternative milk and you will be away.

I have been pretty sure for a while that chocolate makes me very ill but confirmed it last week with a proper cocoa challenge bad tummy and red face - yuck. Its the thing I miss the most.

Paprika would set me off on account of it being very high in salicylates....Another one I miss...

[matt]

as long as they are carefull with the choice of choc bar and don't just buy a plain one assuming that it is dairy free.......:o

[matt]

are we to guess that it's your birthday today???

happy birthday if it is!!!

[Jazzingal]

its ma birthday on thursday, just planning in advance am guessing, yeah ive told them what to get etc, so lets see if they come up trumphs! lol its just hard for them to understand i think they thought i was making it up for a while! lol

:unsure:

[Twinkle]

Happy Birthday for Thursday.

I'm in Leicester and have lived here for about 5 years so if you need any tips on where to find specialist food to help you with your exclusion diet let me know.

I don't know if it works, but I've heard that feverfew is good for migraines - maybe Matt knows more?

[matt]

never tried it myself but you can either buy tablets of the stuff or grow it and eat a couple of leaves in a snadwich. i do seem to remember that there can be side effects.... can't recall. i may look it up today and post findings later.

a quick tip. make sure that you tell the website when your birthday is. then we can say sorry if we miss the calender, saying it's today. i'll try to remember tomorrow.:lol2:

[Jazzingal]

lol! Well i have another question not to do with dairy mind u tho lol, i aint very weel and am dead achy! anything that helps muscle ache apart from deep heat! think ma body is gettin to used to that at the mo

[cnc]

Is it just muscle ache? Warm bath, and stretching is what I normally resort to.
Giving the muscles a massage as well, normally works quite well.

[Jazzingal]

Yeah ive had a bath, etc buts mainly ma back and ma neck, and it kills just to stretch, i shud be used to it tho. its been like this for 4 days!

[cnc]

Have you tried Ibuprofen gel, gives the same heating feeling as Deep Heat but also has the anti-inflammatory benefits.
Try not to keep your neck and back rigid- as this will only make the muscles more tense, and harder to relax, keep trying to move around. I assume you know a lot of this already, being a dancer, but these are just various things I used to do after training left me in pain!!

[Lan]

You could also get someone to give you a back massage using camomile or lavender oils. They are relaxing and should go some way to releasing the tension. I did a course on aromatherapy and found they worked wonders.

If you need a bath remedy use vodka or milk in the bath to stop slipping. Dairyfree milk of course.

Lan

[matt]

yeah go for the vodka option. doesn't take away the pain you just don't care anymore!:lol2:

[cnc]

I was confused by the vodka idea.
Personally I use a bath mat to stop me slipping!!

[Lan]

Hi all,

Apparently the oils will mix in with the vodka and stop the bath from becoming slippery. That's what the aromatherapist told me anyway. Personally I'd just fill the bath with vodka and get a straw!!!


Lan.

[matt]

why would anyone come up with the idea of wasting vodka like that???
they should be locked up.:o

[Lan]

God knows, Matt.

All I know is that's what I was told. I think it's a sheer waste as well and have never tried it.

Lan.

[matt]

saw some absolute vanilla vodka yesterday.....i resisted somehow.:o

[Jazzingal]

lol now that must have been hard! lol

[cnc]

On a similar theme, someone offered me toffee vodka last night- I very rarely drink, but I did wonder whether it would actually be dairy free, as we couldn't decide whether it was just flavourings or there had been actual contact with toffees....??

[matt]

most likely just a chemical flavour....but who cares it's vodka!!

once tried chilli vodka. tears to your eyes strong and hot!:eek: