Wysoy - Risk of infertility

[Kwack1]

Does anyone have info on research in wysoy and the effect on boys infertility? My 4 year old has been on it since 6 mths old. Whats the alternative to get calcium needed?

[Nic]

There have been debates before on this board about the risks / benefits of using soya-based milk alternatives. My personal view is that there isn't any convincing evidence of harm coming from using soya products - especially given that the Chinese and Japanese have been using them as a major part of their diet for centuries.

However, with some people there can be a risk of triggering a soya allergy if its used as a total milk replacement. And there are other ways of getting calcium - supplements, green leafy veg etc.

That's just a personal view - and doesn't answer your specific question, I'm afraid. I'm sure others will also have thoughts. But if I were you, I wouldn't be too worried.

Nic

[tigerlily]

I don't know anything about the risk of infertility in boys from Wysoy BUT I've never been an advocate of Soya Formula to replace a milk-containing or milk-based Formula as it can cause a soya allergy/intolerance very quickly in "perceptible" children. We have been there and my daughter was temporarily intolerant to soya and got diarrhea from Wysoy. And let me tell you, a soya intolerance on top of other allergies is not easy!!! Even on its own, "no soya" is hard!!! I can, however, recommend Pepti.

Vanessa.

[JaynieB]

Interested to read this.. DS has had wysoy for about 2 weeks and the HV has told me not to use it as it doesn't have sufficient nutrients in it and Ive switched to SMA LF (lactose free)...

Can I ask what is Pepti? I've seen it a lot here but never heard of it?

Jayne

[Pam]

:soapbox::rant:I'm sorry but your HV needs a slap! What planet is she on?:headbang: Wysoy is nutritionally complete otherwise it wouldn't be sold as a baby formula. I'm speechless!!!! (well, almost!):rant:

http://www.smanutrition.co.uk/products/brand-flow-chart/completechart.htm

SMA WYSOY milk free formula is intended to meet the nutritional needs of infants and children who are intolerant to cows’ milk protein, lactose or sucrose. Medical guidance should always be sought. Soya infant formulae are not recommended for premature babies or those with kidney problems. • SMA LF must be used under medical supervision. SMA LF is a milk based formula for the dietary management of infants and young children who are intolerant to lactose or sucrose, or who are suffering from diarrhoea or colic caused by temporary lactose intolerance. It is suitable as the sole source of nutrition for infants up to six months of age, and in conjunction with solid food, for infants and young children up to eighteen months of age. SMA LF is not suitable for those who are intolerant to cows’ milk protein, or who suffer from galactosaemia or require a galactose free diet.

:soapbox:

SMA LF is lactose free but will not be completely dairy free. If DS is simply lactose intolerant it will be fine, but if he has a problem with cows milk protein it will not help.

I never had to use Pepti but I assume it is a hypo allergenic formula containing neither cows milk nor soya. It will probably only be available from chemists.

[Copper]

I think that I am correct in saying that Pepti is prescribed for those babies with allergy. Their bodies think that the protein molecules are a danger and the body reacts accordingly. Pepti cunningly has broken the protein molecules down into smaller molecules - amino acids. The body is happy with amino acids.

[tigerlily]

Yes, Copper is right. PEPTI is a hypoallergenic formula for allergic babies. Nutrionally complete and the "tastiest "of the lot!!! Tastes almost like "the real thing" in cereal...for those over 12 month, that is. It can be used as a milk substitute until the age of 2 (or longer on a dietitian's advice) Prescription only.

Vanessa.

[JaynieB]

Pam - I know I read that too... as I've said I'm beginning to think she may have misunderstood me - but even so if I'm talking about a 7 1/2 month old I would have thought it was fairly obvious I wouldn't have meant regular soya milk but meant soya formula.:rolleyes:

Anyway soory Kwack1 I've kind of hijacked your post... think I'm going to see Dr this week and ask about either getting SMA LF on prescription short term or the Pepti one..

Jayne

[Kwack1]

thanks for chat & Info...I had never heard of SMA or Pepsi brands...also I understand there is some research into soya formula possibly causeing peanut allergy (that my son has now been diagnosed with).

[newtonkl]

From trying to wean by baby from BF I was given Wysoy by the docs for my 4 month old daughter who has a cows milk intolerance and then told after using it for a week that there was a risk of infertility in later life and to stop using immediatley - i have now been given pepti junior which is designed for babies on a milk free diet but she doesn;t seem to like it at all. This advise was also the same from the HV.... If this is the case then dont you think that it shouldn;t actually be sold or be in production?

Dont know about you but i'm not willing to take the chance

[Copper]

I don't know why it is still made or why doctors are still advising mothers to give it to their babies/toddlers.

Have you tried disguising the taste of Pepsi with milk shake powder? You would have to check the milk shake powder is dairy free. I know that others here have done this and it worked for them.

[newtonkl]

Thanks for your reply Copper - me neither - it should be taken out of production... Would adding the shake be ok for a 4 month old though? i'm not sure? The Pepti junior really is not nice it's smells like a rusty old bucket so make no wonder she doens;t want to drink it.

Think i'll go back to the GP and see if there is anything else they can give her - poor little sole - she won't know if she is coming or going....

[newtonkl]

Just been on the phone with SMA re Wysoy and risk comes from tests that were conducted 20-30 years on mice and that the mice (both male and female)were injected with the soy and male mice had a reduced fertility than the female.

I was advised that the blanket advise is not to give to babies under the age of 1 unless deemed a must and to try other formulas first though this is more of an issue for boys than girls.

[Copper]

Others here have used the milkshake flavour trick with very young babies. All the special milks smell and taste vile according to others here. I would not change her milk again as you will have the same problem. You should be able to decrease the flavouring gradually.

The other problem with soya is that there is a risk of becoming intolerant/allergic. I and my eldest daughter have both become intolerant to soya despite keeping our soya intake low. In other words we did not replace all of our dairy with soya.